A lot of this conversation has been about competition. I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on some of the other five points Hobbes listed.

Personally, I believe all of the things Hobbe's listed are both good and bad for different reasons- there is a lot of gray area and it is difficult to point out a single issue and confidently say, "This is good" or "This is bad."

Think about reason. Hobbes says that humans cannot live together peacefully because of it; because we can reason, make our own decisions and form our own opinions which leads to disagreement. But without reason, we'd be vegetables (for lack of a better term.) There would be no invention, no skills, no logic, nothing. We would b acting like cavemen without it. When thought about this way, the ability to reason has both good and bad qualities. It leads to war but we would not be here without it.

Do you guys think any of the other things Hobbes listed have both good and bad in them? And if so, is one more prominent than the other?